2025 NADE & AFDE SYMPOSIUM
"Examining
Paper Documents in a Digital World"
Kansas City, Missouri
Friday, October 3 -
Sunday, October 5, 2025
401 Ward Parkway
Kansas City,
Missouri 64112
NADE and AFDE are meeting together this year for a joint
Conference and Symposium. The 2025 theme will be “Paper
Documents in a Digital World.” Program details will be
posted as available. The 2025 Conference and Symposium
will cover a broad range of subjects of interest to
Forensic Document Examiners. A panel providing “Tips for
Testimony,” and poster sessions, are annual favorites.
The Program Chairman and contact person for submission
of presentation and poster session titles and abstracts
for consideration is
Jacqueline
Joseph.
We hope you will join us for an interesting and informative
program.
HOTEL INFORMATION

Famous for barbecue,
fountains, and the architecturally stunning historic Country
Club Plaza marketplace, downtown Kansas City offers a plethora
of activities. Popular destinations, Arrowhead Stadium and
Kansas City Zoo, are also close to the hotel. The hotel is 30
minutes from Kansas City International Airport (MCI).
Hotel room rates are $169.00 plus taxes per night (single
or double), and include a free parking and internet. The hotel
room rates apply three days before and three days after the
symposium. For information on how to reserve a room,
click
here. Room reservation is
online
at this link.
- PROGRAM - 2025 Symposium
Titles and abstracts are being reviewed by the program
committee at this time and are being posted as they are
approved. Please send your proposals to Jacqueline
Joseph.
Exploring Sparse Literature, Case Studies, and
Best Practices in Initials Analysis
Susan Abbey, CDE, D-BFDE
With cases involving initials, what are the best
procedures? What does the literature say?
The literature is surprisingly sparse in this important
area. In this presentation references from authoritative
books and journals that are available will be cited.
Examples of cases where there are suspected page
substitutions and other types of cases where initials can
create difficulties or questions of authenticity will be
explored. Sources of initials for comparison purposes will
be suggested.
Dangers of Low Level Opinions - Probative vs.
Prejudicial
Emily J. Will, CDE, D-BFDE
In a field where opinions can not be formed extensively on the
basis of numerical calculations, words matter. The opinion
scales relied upon by most forensic document examiners in the
US have between 5 and 9 levels. The descriptions of these
levels are easily misapplied, adding to the subjectivity of
opinions. To further complicate matters, civil cases
typically have a "more likely than not" standard which is
considered to be more or less than 50% probability. What
really is going to be the difference between 51% and 49%
liklihood in a handwriting examination? This issue will be
explored in depth.
Microsoft Word & Bierstadt/Aptos Fonts Give
Document Date Clues
Thomas Phinney, MS, MBA, Font Detective
The Microsoft Word default font change from Calibri to Aptos
in 2024 is of great interest for document examiners: obviously
Aptos could not have been used before it was designed, and it
is now used any time a user does not explicitly choose a
different font. But Aptos was already available as early as
2021, under the name of Bierstadt. Phinney discusses and
shows the subtle spacing differences between Aptos and
Bierstadt, and the timeline of the fonts' availability.
Less trumpeted than the Aptos switch are all the other default
document formatting changes Microsoft Word made at the end of
2024: to margins, point size and kerning. Even when Aptos is
not in use, these other settings can provide circumstantial
evidence for document creation dates - especially kerning,
which is rarely manually turned on by most users.
KANSAS CITY ATTRACTIONS
- Plaza
Area
- Country
Club Plaza
- Kauffman
Garden
- Nelson
Atkins Museum of Art. The personal HR Bloch
collection, it’s a must!
- Kemper
Contemporary Museum of Art
- Thomas
Hart Benton Home and Studio Museum 3613
Belleview Ave. Kansas City, MO 64111
- Crown
Center Union Station
- World
War I Museum If you are a history buff
and have not been to this museum, it comes highly
recommended
- Union
Station Lots of activities, exhibits,
Science City, restaurants and evidence from the 1933 Union
Station Massacre between FBI, Frank Nash, Pretty Boy Floyd
and others.
- Crown
Center
- Kansas
City Cross Roads Art District
- Boulevard
Brewery You can take a brewery tour,
but you have to get tickets ahead of time or you can enjoy
their tasting room as well. Go to website for additional
details
- Trolley
Tour
- KC
Gangster Tour
-
- Power
and Light District Area/Crossroads Crossroads
Building Murals Take a walking tour of
the Crossroads.
- Bop into Thou
Mayest Coffee Shop Up Down Bar Featuring
50 arcade games from the 80s and 90s, Pac Man, Yard Jenga
and Connect Four
- Power
and Light District College
Basketball Experience The
American Jazz Museum 18th and Vine
Historic District in KC
- Negro
Leagues Baseball Museum 1616 E 18th
St, Kansas City, MO 64108
- Green
Lady Lounge (KC Jazz) 1809 Grand Blvd
- Black
Dolphin Lounge (Jazz) The
Blue Room (KC Jazz) Tired of Driving?
Take the Streetcar
from Union Station to City Market and
the Power and Light District. It’s free to ride!
- River
Market Area
- River
Market
- Steamboat
Arabia Museum Food
- Bryants
Barbeque (best in KC) Gates
Barbeque
- Michael
Smith’s Extra Virgin Restaurant
- Christopher
Elbow Chocolatier Andre’s
Chocolates and Restaurant 5018 Main
St.
- To
the East – Jackson County
- Truman
Library
-
- To
the West – Western Wyandotte County
- The
Legends
- Casinos
- Hollywood
Casino at Kansas Speedway
- Lawrence,
Kansas
- Downtown
Lawrence
- Sports
Museum at Allen Field House Natural
Original Rules of Basketball are on display Spencer
Museum of Art KU Campus
- Other
events can be found here